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DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ الديموقراطيه في العراق

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http://www.sotaliraq.com/iq/Dr-Osama-Mahdi-16122004.htm

 

In Arabic.. The final lst of the ellectrols and lists..

Huge no. of different Iraqi factions and parties..

I would say that there will be the following hot cadidats

1- Alawee list, the current governemnt

2-Alhakeem list, the Shia

3-Kurds list

4- Communist party list, democratic

5- Islamic party , Sunni

 

Scanning the the above lists, looks to me that Mr. Bremer was very accurate in choosing the former Governing council.. The above list are all the main participants ..

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http://www.nahrain.com/d/news/04/12/16/kwt1216i.html

 

In Arabic.. President Alyawer correcting the information that he sumitted his "Iraqis" group within the pm slate.. Seems that he is going in a seprete slate.

 

I personally don't think that this slate would be a hot one.. First his tribe is get splitted as his cousin went with the Coalition slate "Shia slate, as called in the media". Second Great portion of Musol voters "his base province" are splitted among differet slate. Thrid after his slate member defence Minister statememnt against Alsystani there will be a very limited chances within Shia community to choose their slate.

 

الياور يصحح ما اشيع من انه انضم في قائمه علاوي / عراقيين

يبجوا انه تقدم بقائمه منفرده مع حليفه الشعلان

لايبدوا لي ان للقائمه حضوضا كبيره لعده اشباي

الاول ان عشيرته ستكون مقسمه بعد دخول ابن عمه في قائمه الائتلاف "التي تسمى الشيعيه"

ثانيا ان اهل الموصل مقسمون بين عده اتجاهات

ثالثا وبعد تصريحات الشعلان ضد السستاني فاننه من غير متوقهع توجه ابناء الشيعه لاختيار قائمته

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اضافه لاعلاه , الرئيس الياور يبتعد بسرعه عن تصريحات الشعلان وبنتقد بشده ما جاء على لسانه

 

In Addition to above, Alyawer condenmend the defence minster statements.. He said that it is a personal views.. Smart and fast action

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http://www.nahrain.com/d/news/04/12/22/kwt1222e.html

 

In Arabic.. Two important Ministers drew from Pachachi list and join Alawee's .

This is a big blew up for Pachachi and big achievment for Alwaee's list which became the most Sunni/Shia unified secular list..

The competetion now is more polar between The unified list "Aljhakeem list" and AlIraqis list "Alawee

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http://www.iraqoftomorrow.org/viewarticle....=27529&pg=index

 

In Arabic.. Interviews with Iraqis inside Iraq..

Most of them are willing to go for voting but they are lacking enought information about cadidates ..

What is intersting is that most reprorts are about Iraqis inside Iraq , there are almost no one about those outside.. I know many who are planning to go for it..The main problem is that voting offices are far from their places and they need to go twice.. One to register and other to vote

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http://www.nahrain.com/d/news/04/12/25/nhr1225r.html

 

In Arabic.. The Coalistion list "Shia" political program

1- Fedral free Iraq

2- Asking to set a time table for forgien troops leave.

3- Putting special efforts on substituding victims of the old regime and set programs to remove old regim's criminals from key positions.

4- Islam is the religion of the state..

5- No specific refrence to the Arab identity of Iraq. All people are with equal rights

6-Asking for full participation of Women in all life aspects.

7-

 

 

That is in brief..

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U.S. Is Suggesting Guaranteed Role for Iraq's Sunnis

 

 

By STEVEN R. WEISMAN

 

Published: December 26, 2004

 

   

ASHINGTON, Dec. 25 - The Bush administration is talking to Iraqi leaders about guaranteeing Sunni Arabs a certain number of ministries or high-level jobs in the future Iraqi government if, as is widely predicted, Sunni candidates fail to do well in Iraq's elections.

 

An even more radical step, one that a Western diplomat said was raised already with an aide to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq's most revered Shiite cleric, is the possibility of adding some of the top vote-getters among the Sunni candidates to the 275-member legislature, even if they lose to non-Sunni candidates.

 

The diplomat said even some Shiite politicians who were followers of Ayatollah Sistani were concerned that a Pyrrhic victory by Shiites, effectively shutting Sunni Arabs out of power, could alienate Sunnis and lead to more internal strife. Shiites make up about 60 percent of Iraqis and were generally denied power under Saddam Hussein.

 

Strife was still the word in Baghdad, where the death toll from the explosion of a tanker truck on Christmas Eve rose to nine on Saturday, with 19 wounded, the Interior Ministry said. No group has taken responsibility for the attack, which apparently did not damage any obvious insurgent targets. [Page 20.]

 

The idea of adding Sunnis to the legislature after the election was acknowledged by officials as likely to be difficult to carry out, but they said it might be necessary to avoid Sunni estrangement.

 

Sunnis Arabs make up about 20 percent of the population and formed the core of Mr. Hussein's power structure.

 

Much of the violent insurgency is taking place in Sunni-dominated areas in the central part of the country, and some Sunni leaders have called for a boycott of the election. This has led to fears that large numbers of Sunnis will obey the call or be afraid to vote.

 

"There's some flexibility in approaching this problem," said an administration official. "There's a willingness to play with the end result - not changing the numbers, but maybe guaranteeing that a certain number of seats go to Sunni areas even if their candidates did not receive a certain percentage of the vote."

 

The idea of altering election results is so sensitive that administration officials who spoke about it did not want their names revealed. Some experts on Iraq say such talk could undercut efforts to drum up support for voting in Sunni areas.

 

Guaranteeing a certain number of positions in government for certain ethnic groups is not without precedent, though. Lebanon, for example, has a power-sharing arrangement among its main sectarian groups. The Parliament in Iran has seats reserved for religious minorities.

 

It was not known whether Ayad Allawi, the Iraqi prime minister, had been consulted about the possibility of taking such action.

 

Any suggestion of delaying the elections because Sunnis are reluctant to vote has been knocked down by President Bush and other administration officials. An administration official said, for example, that when King Abdullah II of Jordan visited Mr. Bush earlier this month, the president began the meeting by telling the king to not even raise the issue of postponing the elections because it was beyond consideration. Instead, Mr. Bush has pressed King Abdullah and the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other countries to spread the word to Sunnis in Iraq to support their candidates and to vote.

 

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and other top officials have said in the past week that they were generally pleased with indications that an overwhelming majority of Iraqis wanted to vote and that many well-known Sunni leaders were running for office, despite the calls for a boycott by other prominent Sunnis.

 

But there are also American-made factors hobbling full participation in the election.

 

Administration officials say, for example, that one reason why some Sunnis are not running is that they have refused to sign documents renouncing their former affiliation with the Baath Party of Mr. Hussein, as demanded by Iraqi authorities.

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Part two of above...

 

(Page 2 of 2)

 

 

 

"I've talked to a number of people in the Baath Party, and they bitterly resent having to sign such a document," said a Western diplomat in Baghdad. The diplomat acknowledged that the requirement had been an obstacle to a fully inclusive range of candidates, including figures associated with Mr. Hussein who are believed by Western diplomats to be ready to take part in the political process if they do not have to renounce their past ties.

 

He said Shiite and Kurdish leaders in Iraq had pressed for an outlawing of the old Baath Party since the beginning of the American occupation, when L. Paul Bremer III, the former civilian commander of the occupation, ordered a ban. There is disagreement within the administration about whether this was a mistake - reflecting a difficult tradeoff by American policy makers at the beginning of the occupation. But now many officials say they have no choice but to go along with what the interim Iraqi leadership wants.

 

American officials say many of those leaders oppose any effort to let former Baath Party officials run without renouncing their old affiliation, contending that their stand is analogous to banning the Nazi Party in postwar German elections.

 

"Given the number of people running for office in Iraq, you have to be impressed with the breadth of Iraqi society represented," the Western diplomat said. "What you don't have running, however, are the old-style Sunni nationalists, the old regime elements who used to dominate the country's politics."

 

Not everyone sees the idea of altering the results after the election as practical or desirable.

 

"This idea is a nonstarter," said Feisal al-Istrabadi, Iraq's deputy permanent representative at the United Nations. "But what it tells you is that inherently people are concerned about the problems with respect to legitimacy of the elections, not because people are going to boycott, but because people are going to be afraid to vote."

 

Mr. Istrabadi said that unlike most Iraqi officials in Baghdad, he personally did not oppose postponing the elections, an idea advocated by some Iraqi politicians and raised by Arab leaders in the region, if a delay could help secure certain areas and persuade people to vote.

 

He explained that he viewed the idea of adding legislators after the election as having practical and legal difficulties, because there was no provision in the law that would permit it. However, others say that because the plan for 275 members in the future legislature was put forward by an unelected government, an elected government might be able to do what it wanted.

 

"You do the math," said Larry Diamond, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a former adviser to the American occupation in Baghdad. "Iraq's population is about 60 percent Shiite, 20 percent Sunni and 20 percent Kurds. But if Sunnis don't vote, they could become only 5 percent of the electorate." Iraqis are to choose among 107 slates and 7,000 candidates.

 

If Sunnis are marginalized in that fashion, Mr. Diamond said, it could lead to further alienation, an increased insurgency and possibly a civil war, especially if the Kurdish and Shiite victors try to write a constitution that favors their interests over the Sunnis'.

 

A further fear in the administration is the possibility that continuing violence may force some Sunni candidates and parties to withdraw from the process before Jan. 30, on the ground that they have little chance of winning because voters may not turn out.

 

"Suppose that the violence is so bad that even if candidates are brave enough to stay in the race, but voters don't turn out, Sunni candidates in the end win very few seats," said the Western diplomat in Baghdad. "One thing you could see happen, I think, is some of these Sunni candidates withdrawing because their base isn't going to turn out."

 

Mr. Powell said last week that the United States did not favor talking with any leaders of the insurgency to get them to lay down their arms and take part in the election. "They're terrorists, they're murderers, and they have no interest in a free, fair election or democratic participation in such elections," he said.

 

He said the State Department had set up a "war room" to monitor election developments and spread the word to Iraqis that "if you are unhappy with what's going on, this is the time for you to express your view through an election."

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Guest العراق يرفض الحديث عن منح السُنة

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العراق يرفض الحديث عن منح السُنة مقاعد اضافية في البرلمان

 

بغداد (رويترز) - رفضت المفوضية العليا المستقلة للانتخابات في العراق يوم الاحد اقتراحات يتردد انها مطروحة في واشنطن بمنح الاقلية من السنة العرب مقاعد اضافية في البرلمان بعد الانتخابات الشهر القادم لتحاشي هيمنة الشيعة اذا لم يشارك السُنة في التصويت.

وقالت صحيفة نيويورك تايمز ان الحكومة الأمريكية تستكشف مثل هذا الاحتمال لتجنب تهميش السُنة العرب الذين يمثلون نحو 20 في المئة من السكان وكانوا في وضع مهيمن في عهد الرئيس السابق صدام حسين.

وقد يؤدي العنف والسخط في المناطق السُنية الى إحجام كثيرين هناك عن الادلاء بأصواتهم في الانتخابات المقرر أن تجرى في 30 يناير كانون الثاني.

وقال فريد آيار عضو المفوضية العليا للانتخابات والمتحدث باسمها لرويترز "هذه أول مرة أسمع فيها عن هذا. لم يناقش من قبل على الاطلاق...انه غير واقعي."

وتابع "لا يوجد شيء كهذا في قواعدنا ونظمنا. سيكون الاقدام على مثل هذا الأمر في تعارض تام مع قواعدنا الانتخابية" مضيفا أن تدخل الولايات المتحدة او غيرها في إجراء الانتخابات غير مقبول.

ونقلت نيويورك تايمز عن دبلوماسي غربي وهو مسؤول أمريكي على ما يبدو قوله انه جرى البحث مع آية الله العظمى علي السيستاني أكبر مرجعية شيعية عراقية في احتمال منح بعض السنة البارزين الذين يحصلون على أصوات مقاعد في المجلس الوطني المؤلف من 275 مقعدا حتى لو لم تكن الأصوات التي حصلوا عليها تضمن لهم الحصول على مقعد.

والافتراض الكامن وراء هذه الفكرة هو أن من شأن حصول الشيعة على نصر مبالغ فيه ان يأتي بنتائج عكسية اذا حال بين السُنة العرب وبين نيل نصيب من السلطة وان يؤدي الى تفاقم العنف في البلاد حيث تتركز العمليات المسلحة في مناطق السُنة العرب وان بعض الساسة الشيعة انفسهم يرون هذا الرأي.

ويمثل الشيعة نسبة تقرب من 60 في المئة من السكان ومن المتوقع على نطاق واسع أن يحققوا أكبر نتائج. وينظر الى ائتلاف يحظى بموافقة السيستاني على انه ذو قوة بالغة في المنافسة رغم وجود أكثر من مئة قائمة أخرى من بينها قوائم شيعية تخوض الانتخابات.

وستوزع المقاعد وفقا للتمثيل النسبي.

وقالت نيويورك تايمز ان المسؤولين الأمريكيين يسلمون بصعوبة تنفيذ فكرة إضافة سنة للمجلس الوطني بعد الانتخابات لكنهم قالوا ان ذلك قد يكون ضروريا لتجنب إقصاء السُنة.

ورفض متحدث باسم السفارة الامريكية في بغداد التعليق وأحال من يتصلون به هاتفيا بهذا الصدد الى مفوضية الانتخابات.

وكان آيار جازما في رفضه مثل هذا الاحتمال وأشار الى أن المسؤولين الامريكيين يحاولون التدخل في الانتخابات.

وأضاف "لعلهم لم يقرأوا قواعد ونظم اللجنة... الامريكيون يعبرون عن ارائهم وهي ليست دائما اراء المفوضية. لكن المفوضية مستقلة تماما."

ومضى قائلا "ليس مقبولا أن يتدخل أحد في شؤوننا. لن يسمح بحدوث ذلك."

وتابع "الفائز هو الفائز. هذا هو الحال. هذا هو ما سيكون عليه الحال في الانتخابات."

ودعا بعض الساسة البارزين من السنة العرب لتأجيل الانتخابات مدة تقرب من ستة أشهر قائلين انه نتيجة للعنف الذي يتركز في المناطق السنية لن يتمكن الناخبون من الذهاب الى لجان الاقتراع ولن تكون الانتخابات حرة أو نزيهة.

وبينما كان هؤلاء يدعون لتأجيل الانتخابات تقدمت عشرات الاحزاب والائتلافات الحزبية السنية الدينية والعلمانية للمشاركة في الانتخابات التي لم يتبق على موعدها سوى خمسة أسابيع.

وقال آيار انه يتوقع أن يكون اداء كثير من هذه الاحزاب جيدا وان من الخطأ الاعتقاد بأن السنة لن يتمكنوا من الذهاب الى لجان الاقتراع في مناطق كثيرة من البلاد أو سيمنعهم الخوف من ذلك.

وأضاف "من يقول انهم لن يستطيعوا التصويت في المناطق السنية.. كثير منها غير خطرة." ومضى يقول "أعتقد أن السُنة سيحصلون على كثير من المقاعد في البرلمان. لديهم كثير من الساسة الذين يتمتعون بشعبية. لا يوجد ما يدعو للاعتقاد بأنهم لن يفوزوا بمقاعد."

وقال "لا يمكن أن يكون لدينا نظام نقول بمقتضاه 70 مقعدا للسنة و80 مقعدا للشيعة أو أي أعداد كانت. ذلك ليس موجودا في نظمنا."

وقالت نيويورك تايمز ان البيت الابيض يتحدث كذلك مع الزعماء العراقيين لضمان عدد معين من الوزارات أو الوظائف الحكومية الرفيعة للسنة في الحكومة القادمة اذا لم يحقق المرشحون السُنة أداء جيدا في الانتخابات.

وليس هناك من الناحية النظرية ما يمنع رئيس الوزراء الذي سينتخبه المجلس الوطني من تشكيل حكومة بها أعضاء من السُنة يفوق عددهم العدد الذي تسمح به شعبيتهم في الانتخابات.

وتضم الحكومة العراقية المؤقتة الحالية بقيادة رئيس الوزراء اياد علاوي عدة وزراء من السُنة العرب والاكراد والتركمان والمسيحيين. والرئيس العراقي من السُنة العرب أيضا.

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http://www.elaph.com/Politics/2004/12/30584.htm

 

In Arabic.. After the announcement of Dr. Saadeldeen for his willing to participate in the egyptian ellections and to moniter the ellection through his Ibn Khladoon ceter, 300 egyptian lawers submitted a law suit for withdrewing his citizenship.. They claimed that he abused and attack egypt on the TV stations!!

Just an example of the great democracy that poor Arab are under today..

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The last speech by Bin Laden emphasized one clear issue: The battle for democracy in Iraq is the real battle against the terror..

His firm stand against the election in Iraq by legalizing the killing as infidal of any Iraqi who chooses to vote , is a very clear approval to all what Pres. Bush had talked about. When BLN chose to ask all of his followers to consider the fail of this ellection as their upmost battel and asked for support and when he agreed to appoint Alzarqawee as the Ameer of Alqaeda in Iraq, he is confirming that this is the battel of all battels for terrorists..

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http://www.elaph.com/Politics/2004/12/30608.htm

The final list of all ellections lists

111 list for the Iraqi council and more than 7400 candidtats

 

As for the provinces councils, I noticed

3 list for Alnabar province

16 for Muso; province

26 for Saldeen "Tikreet" province

 

I don't know if Ben Laden can kill all Iraqis for such huge massive will for participate in this first time fully democratic ellection in ME history

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