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لا اشكك في مقدرة المنتخب الاولمبي العراقي على تجاوز الفرق الاخرى حيث يمتلك الفريق كل مقومات الفريق الناجح, ولكن يبدو ان اصابع السياسه لا بد ان تترك بصماتها على الرياضه , فالذي اعتقده ان ستقوم بعض الحهات الخفيه التي تدير عالم الرياضه الواسع بمساعده الفريق العراقي لنيل مركزا مهما في البطوله وايصاله الى مرحله يحسد عليها من قبل الاشقاء قبل الغرباء لاحبا بالعراق واهله ولكن لمشيه وضع سياسي معقد قائم في العراق حاليا حيث ينشغل الناس بفرحه الفوز بينما تقوم الجهات الرسميه بعمل ما يحلو لها في الخفاء من اباده لمعارضين او لتحجيم ادوار منازعين.

ارجوا من الله ان اكون مخطئا

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Translating above by Bahlol

I have full confidence in our Itaqi team.. However, I feel that there might be a political reasons to allow the team to get good results in order to cover what the goverment is doing..

I hope my feelings is not correct..

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The above is a typical Iraqi feelings..

The Iraqi who is going out of a long period of tortur and push down.. For such Iraqi , every thing is to serve a political agenda even his glory and trumph.. That what Saddam was used to experience.. It was not the sport only that his son was running, it might go to every aspect of life..

 

I remeber when Saddam's relations was good with Suadees, he used to order the goverment clergi "Some of them are of Sunni scholar associasion of today" to issue a cree for Eid day as per Suadee though it might be different in Iraq.

 

I hope that some day we Iraqis might get reliefed from Saddam era and start enjoy life as really it is , not as what our fears tell us..

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Saddam or others are same in politics; all of them want to used every thing to there benefit.

iraqi pep killed by Saddam and they killed now . what is the diffrent?

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يبدو ان التفؤل كان اكثر مما يجب للتصور من حدوث تصفيات سياسيه محليه على حساب تفوق المنتخب العراقي ولكن يبدو ان الصوره اكبر مما توقعنا لتشمل السياسه الامريكيه ايضا

اقراأ هذا الرابط

http://www.alrafidayn.com/Story/Sport/Spo_210804_1.html

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http://www.sotaliraq.com/thenewiraq/articl...8_22_17267.html

 

In Arabic..

An article by an Iraqi scholar talking about the great message by the Iraqi team

 

He wrote

 

كيف استطاع بضعة أشخاص بلا برامج، أو ربطات عنق، بلا سفسطة، بلا تعقيد نظري، بلا دجل، بلا لغو فارغ على فضائيات رخيصة.... توحيد وطن بكل تلك العفوية المدهشة، بينما فَشلَّ الجميع بكل امتياز...!!!!؟
؟

 

How was it possible that a small group without programs or neck ties, without hypocracy or complicated idealogy< without nonsense on the Satellite TV,, To unify the country in so simple way< while all others failed?

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الا ترى معي ان المقارنه ليست مناسبه.. مع كل الاعتزاز بهذا الانحاز الكبير الذي حققه شباب العراق ,

فانه انما باتي كتاكيد بسيط لكل تلك التضحيات التي قدمها شباب العراق على مذبح الحريه..

عندما نرى اعضاء الفريق ينتقدون وبحريه كامله تصريحات رئيس الدوله التي تجول قواتها وبكل حريه في ارض العراق, نعرف كم هو التغيير الذي حصل في العراق.

لقد كان نفس هؤلاء الشباب يخشون ابسط شرطي من مرافقي عدي وكان اهلهم يتخذون رهينه لدى سلطات النظام لحين عودتهم من خلال منعهم من السفر سويه..

 

ليس مهما ان كان بوش قد ضمن دعابته بالاشاره الى انحازه الكبير بتحرير هؤلاء الشباب المثابر ومن خلفهم كل الشعب العراقي من عقده

الخوف , المهم ان هدفه قد تحقق عندما نقرأ تصريحات بعضهم المنتقده حتى لمن كان السبب في اتاحه الفرصه لهم بحريه التعيب

 

 

 

Don't agree with me that the comparison is not appropriat>>

With all respect and glory to what these young Iraqi men had accomplished, but it is just to emphazise all sacrifies by all young Iraqis who fall in the fight for freedom.

 

When we see some of the team members freely express their critizes to the president of the country whose army is freely touring Iraq, we know how much change had happened in Iraq.. These brave young men were used to be affraid from the lower rank of Uday's police, where their families were got as hostages until their return..

 

It is not important if Bush in his propaganda is pointing to his great achievement in librating these kids from their fears, the most important is that his gools are acheived when reading such critizim, even to those who were behind their free speach..

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ماتفضلت به صحيح فالوضع القائم حاليا لا يمكن باي شكل ان يقارن بالوضع الذي كان في عهد صدام وكما اني اتمنى ان لا يحول هذا الفرح العراقي الى لعبه سياسيه قذره يلعبا السياسيون لتصفيه حسابات لتعود مذابح الحريه من جديد ولكن بشكل جديد

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Bahlol's post.

 

What you mentioned is correct but we hope that this great victory not to be a dirty political game..

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اتفق معك تماما .. وهذا ما جعلنا ننضر باستياء الى تلك التصريحات المنسوبه لاحد الاعبين .

لاعبي ومدرب المنتخب هم سفراء لكل الشعب العراقي وعليهم ان بعوا هذه المساله

لاالومهم فقد سقط فس هفوه مماثله وزير خارجيتنا الزيباري من قبل عنما اطلق لارائه الشخصيه العنان وهو في موقع مسؤليه ضد فصيل عراثي مشارك معه في مجلس الحكم

 

 

 

I fully agree with you

Indeed that was why we had looked unexpectedly to the reports of some players personal opinions.

All team needs to know that they are empassidors for all Iraqis not for certain faction..

I don't blame them though, they are young.. Even experienced Forgien minister has commited such personal announcement before.

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http://www.alrafidayn.com/Story/News/N_24_08_04_8.html

 

In Arabic.. By the writer Zuhair Abood.. Critizizng the Arab media clear policy against the great acheivent by Iraqis

ليس دون دلالة ان يقوم الأعلام العربي بما يدعيه من حيادية ونزاهة في المواقف أن يتفق على حجب فرحة العراقيين التي تشكل له لطمة قوية ، فالدموع والضحكات التي ملأت فم العراقي وهو يصرخ ممتلأ بالفرح والغبطة في فوز فريق العراق لكرة القدم ، يتعدى لعبة كرة القدم ، ففي زمن المحنة والحزن تطل فرحة العراقيين من كوة صغيرة لتتسع في حياة الشعب العراقي .

 

وحلم العراقي أن تكون ايامه بهيجة ومفرحة في غياب الطاغية الدكتاتور وانقشاع غيمة البعث المسموم ، وحلم العراقي بأيام هانئة نستعيد بها جمعتنا ولمة الأخوة والأحباب ، وان تعود الطيور المهاجرة الى اعشاشها ، وتستعيد الرجال والنساء ذكرياتها في الزمن المر ، وان ندع اولادنا في الغربة يتلمسون سعف النخيل وماء دجلة والفرات ،

It is well understood why the Arab media, with all claims of objectivity , to block the pleasure of Iraqis which represent a big hit to it.. The tears and happyness that fill Iraqis while crying with pleasure is way byond football
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http://www.elaph.com/Sports/2004/8/6313.htm

 

In Arabic...An example of those Arab media reproter style..

 

The writer is evaluating the acheivements by Arabs in the olympic.. He never mentioned the Iraqi soccer team great doing.. At a time thw whole world is admiring the young Iraqis..

 

Mutto be ghaithikum, Iraqis are commming!!! Strong and civilized, but most important with all dignity and freedom!!

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http://www.sotaliraq.com/newiraq/article_2...08_24_5520.html

 

In Arabic.. An article that try to diversify the great acheivenment by Iraqi team into other direction.. He claims that this is much more better than what all political figures are doing in iraq.. No wonder, he writwes in Factionist Alzaman newspaper..

 

He didn't mention that without all sacrifies of those Iraqis that confronting the teerorist every day, there would be no united Iraq today and might see many teams each claim representing Iraq..

Congradulation to All Iraqis and let those who want to keep them selfs busy playing with dirt to stay there !

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