Revenge killings?

[Guest Guest]

http://www.radiosawa.com/RadioSawaReports....e=ram&id=483072

 

Correcting the above

[Guest Mustefser]

Aljezera had reported a mixed information that the insurgents in Tikrit claimed that the lost only 11 of their terrorists.. Tikrit has nothing to do with Althirthar.

Mixing these two peice of info on their english web site was funny. The more fun is that Iranian Alalam also relied on Aljezera unknown source to claim that there is a conflicting reports!

 

So funny.

[Airedale]

Two stories about the health of al-Zarqawi that seem to say

he may have stomach wounds?

 

 

IRAQ: REPORTED SIGHTING OF AL-ZARQAWI IN RAMADI HOSPITAL

 

Baghdad, 28 April (AKI) - The Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is reported to have been seen on Wednesday at the hospital in Ramadi, which was later searched by US forces. The director of the hospital, Munam Aftan, told the Iraq-based newspaper Al-Zaman that US troops surrounded and raided the entire hospital, searching for al-Zarqawi, who is believed to be al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq.

 

"They told me they had to search the entire hospital - Aftan explained - because they had received information saying that al-Zarqawi was here, accompanied by four Opel cars, inside of which were his bodyguards and followers."

 

On Wednesday the Kuwaiti news agency Kuna cited local sources as saying that American soldiers had closed off the two main bridges in Ramadi, to the west of the capital Baghdad, and were carrying out major raids on both the hospital and residential neighbourhoods in the centre of the city. Two days ago al-Zarqawi's group announced that there were ongoing violent clashes in Ramadi, between US troops and militants trying to stop the raids.

 

It also emerged this week that US forces almost caught al-Zarqawi as he tried to enter Ramadi in February. He escaped, but they did seize his computer, which contained information which is reported to have led to a number of subsequent arrests.

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=...158604584&par=0

 

Just an excerpt, one small point of interst, from a well known article about al Zarqawi;

 

US at least seizes Zarqawi's laptop

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Terror experts note that Zarqawi's apparent escape is a blow. His capture would not end the participation of Islamist terrorists in the Iraqi insurgency, but it would certainly demoralize them, and it would remove an energetic and creative terror figure.

 

But the computer might contain contacts, financial information, and hard data about his relationship with Al Qaeda.

 

"That would be solid gold [information]," says Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at the RAND Corp.

 

A European intelligence official says that he is not sure Zarqawi was ever in the truck. But the information on the computer was very valuable, he confirms. Among other things, it may indicate that Zarqawi is in worse physical condition than previously believed, and taking painkillers as he recovers from a wound to his stomach.

 

He also points out that the captured cash was in euros, not dollars, and indicates that the terror network likely maintains a functioning logistical connection with Al Qaeda's European branches.

 

The importance of the captured Zarqawi aides is not clear. Back in February - without mentioning the near-miss of Zarqawi himself - the Iraqi government announced that a raid had captured Talib Mikhlif Arsan Walman al-Dulaymi, also known as Abu Qutaybah, allegedly a key Zarqawi lieutenant.

 

Mr. Qutaybah arranged for transportation and safehouses, and moved money and equipment around the country for the Zarqawi network, according to the Iraqi government.

 

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0427/p03s01-woiq.html?s=t5

 

About the large amount of Euros

...the captured cash was in euros, not dollars, and indicates that the terror network likely maintains a functioning logistical connection with Al Qaeda's European branches

Those bank notes have serial numbers on them.

The notes can be traced back to their bank of origin.

The money trail can be followed to bank clearing houses that may not necessarily be in Europe but rather, located in the middle east.

[Guest Mustefser]

Interesting.. Translating main idea

 

المبالغ التي عثر عليها عند القاء القبض على مساعد الزرقاوي المدعو ابو قتيبه الدليمي كانت باليورو

بقول كاتب المقال في الديلي تلغراف ان ارقام الاوراق النقديه تتيح متابعه المصارف التي تم صرف المبالغ منها

[Airedale]

A letter captured in late April was intended fo al-Zarqawi to read.....

a "brief" of the article; Is muntiy and collapse only a few months away if his own people are complaining the situation is BAD ! ( they may have been 'misled' to believe the Americans wqould be gone from Iraq by now and the terrorists would be running Iraq by now

 

U.S.: Possible letter to al-Zarqawi cites low morale

 

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military said Tuesday it has seized a letter from Iraqi insurgents believed to be intended for Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi complaining about low morale among followers and weakening support for the insurgency.

 

The authenticity of the letter -- which the military said American troops found Thursday in a raid in Baghdad -- could not be independently verified.

 

The letter -- which never refers to al-Zarqawi by name -- is written to Sheik Abu Ahmad, a name not known to be used by the militant leader or his followers. But supporters often call al-Zarqawi the Sheik or Sheik Abu Musab in letters and on Web sites.

 

"What has happened to myself and my brothers is an unforgivable crime, but God will punish the oppressor," the letter reads. "I swear by God that you will be asked about what happened to us because you have not asked about the situation of the migrants. Morale is down and there is fatigue among mujahedeen ranks.

The letter is dated April 27, the military said.

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The author of the letter also "admonishes 'the Sheik' for abandoning his followers" after last year's U.S. siege on Falluja, west of Baghdad.

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....Because of the "continuous pressure by Iraqi and [u.S.-led] coalition forces," a military statement said, al-Zarqawi has relied on his cell leaders to conduct operations while he is forced to evade being killed or captured.

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...The author's name is Abu Asim al-Qusaymi al-Yemeni, the military statement said.

 

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said the letter reflects "a certain amount of proof that [al-Zarqawi's] influence and effectiveness is deteriorating."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/03/...main/index.html

[Airedale]

This may just be a speculation article about al-Zarqawi.

After all, the latest report suggests;

1; he may have a gunshot wound to his stomach.

2; a letter recently found questions Zarqawi's leadership and his followers have low morale. ( some even critisize him saying " Allah will punish him for his lack of heart in the fight )

3; the speculation of a recent tape he recorded may be his parting words to his followers to keep fighting, even though he leaves them to the ever stronger and growing Iraqi army and police forces.

 

CIA Official: "Zarqawi No Longer in Iraq"

 

4 May 2005-- While intelligence analysts are intently focused on the text of Abu Musab al Zarqawi's most recent 18-minute message, few are looking at the discernible change in tenor of this latest message itself. A deeper analysis – beyond pure text translation – suggests that Zarqawi's latest message to his followers has the familiar tone of a "detached pep talk" mirroring that of Osama bin Laden following his departure from Afghanistan after the bombing of Tora Bora, suggesting that Zarqawi is no longer commanding his followers from the Iraqi theater of operation, according to one beltway based CIA official familiar with Zarqawi's profile. In an "off-the-record" interview between the Northeast Intelligence Network and a CIA official Tuesday, the official stated "we don’t believe he (Zarqawi) is presently in Iraq." He added,

 

"we have no idea where he is, but we feel strongly that he left Iraq immediately following his near-capture," referring to the close call near Ramadi, Iraq last February.

 

"He [Zarqawi] has a strong following among the Iraqi insurgents who would have enabled his departure. He is more dangerous than bin Laden as he has the physical ability to blend in to areas without obvious or immediate recognition. Considering he had been charged by bin Laden with focusing on operations against and inside the U.S., Zarqawi could be closer to the west than people think." When asked where he thought Zarqawi could be, the official stated bluntly "we simply don’t know." "He could be in Iran, or he could even be in Mexico or Canada. Regardless, we do have solid intelligence to indicate he left Iraq."

 

 

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

 

more at the link but you will have to scroll down it is on the left side of the webpage

[Guest Guest_Tajer]

According to Radio Sawa, locals were saying that a fierce fight is happening between local sunni tribes and followers to Alqaeda at Alqaem , near the Syrian boarders over the last three days. More than fourty casualties were reported.. The Iraqi and coalition were not intervining.. Also the report said that Shiakh Aldaree of the Sunni schoalar associaciation had visited the area to cool the situation.!

[Guest Mustefser]

I don't like such writings.. The writer is highlighting the conflect as between Sunni and Shia.. Indeed it is between Shia and Sadamists whom the last minister of education allowed to take leading positions as the the case with the dean of Phirmacy college Dr. Alheatee, a leader in Sadamee party member.

 

 

 

The murder of a Shiite student triggered a riot aimed at Sunnis.

Posted by: Editor on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 09:27 AM

 

Sectarian rage at Baghdad U.

By Mohammed al Dulaimy and Hannah Allam

Inquirer Foreign Staff

 

BAGHDAD - Masar Sarhan, a popular student leader at Baghdad University, threw a party on campus this week to celebrate the Shiite Muslim leaders of Iraq's new government. Religious songs blared and students read poetry congratulating the Shiites for taking power.

 

Four hours later, 

three gunmen followed the 24-year-old Sarhan and shot him to death blocks from his home in the capital.

 

The campus, already simmering with sectarian tension, exploded with violent demonstrations that continued yesterday. Enraged Shiite students stormed the cafeteria, overturning tables and breaking windows. They accused Sunni students and faculty of supporting Saddam Hussein's Baath Party, which they blamed for Sarhan's death. Police fired shots in the air to stop the riots. The dean fled the campus and classes were canceled indefinitely.

 

"It wasn't a demonstration - it was a riot," said Lina Majed, 22, a Russian-studies student who was in the cafeteria during the violence. "I won't come back to college until everything settles down. This is scary."

 

Sarhan's killing was a disaster for Baghdad University officials who had been trying to quell sectarian problems among students since the January elections. Shiites and Kurds dominate Iraq's first elected government. Sunni Arabs mostly boycotted the vote or stayed away out of fear of attack from Iraq's Sunni insurgency.

 

Fights have since erupted on campus when Shiites assert their identity through religious posters. Sunnis, meanwhile, are sick of being labeled Baathists and insurgent sympathizers.

 

"Our Sunni brothers think they lost the battle, so they are trying to rip away the joy of the Shiites," said Alaa Mahmoud, 23. "In the old days, we feared Sunnis because they were Baathists. Now, we fear them because they might be terrorists."

 

Sarhan, a senior in the College of Pharmacy, is a martyr to Shiite students, who considered him a pious leader striving for unity. Sunnis called him an extremist and said his propaganda invited trouble.

 

"Why are [shiite students] so upset? A man asked for a war and he got it," said a Sunni linguistics student who requested anonymity. "If they were really good, they would demonstrate peacefully. But what they're doing is making them lose their cause."

 

Sarhan, a member of the Dawa Party led by Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, invited students to the party Monday to celebrate Shiite self-determination after decades of oppression. Friends said he broadcast pro-Shiite slogans, passed out candy, and plastered posters of Jaafari across campus.

 

During the celebration, several students said, they noticed a man with a gun in the crowd. Sarhan asked the man to identify himself, but he refused and the two clashed. The man was a bodyguard for the College of Pharmacy's dean, a Sunni Arab, according accounts of the incident in Iraqi newspapers.

 

The fight ended the party, so Sarhan headed home. Blocks from his house, his family said, three men in a car opened fire and killed him.

 

Baghdad University issued a statement yesterday condemning the killing and emphasizing that it took place off campus. The university formed a committee to investigate.

 

Sarhan was "a quiet, deeply religious man who was loved by everyone," said his uncle, Rasul al-Rubaiye. "We have our own men and we believe in revenge. We will take revenge for his mother, who says she can't go on living after Masar's death."

 

On campus yesterday, classrooms were locked and bullet casings littered the grounds. Students carried anti-Sunni signs and yelled, "Baathists are a disgrace!" Sunni professors were smuggled off campus, as Shiite teachers marched with the students.

 

"We are living in abnormal times because Baathists are everywhere," said Jafir al-Ka'bi, a British-educated pharmacy professor. "They killed an Islamic activist and a supporter of the marjaiya [supreme Shiite clerics]. They should know that this won't pass unpunished."

[Airedale]

We all heard stories that the US almost caught Zarqawi a few months ago.

 

This excerpt is about what the driver said about Zarqawi's condition on Feb 20th,the day the driver was captured .

Interesting comment

 

"Zarqawi became hysterical"

 

Coalition forces just missed capturing Zarqawi during a raid on Feb. 20, the statement noted. The raid occurred between Hit and Haditha near the Euphrates River.

 

Zarqawi was able to escape capture as coalition forces closed in on his vehicle. But Zarqawi's driver, Abu Usama, was captured during the raid.

 

"Zarqawi became hysterical," the driver told interrogators. "Zarqawi did not know where he was, because he demanded repeatedly 'Who lives in this area? What sub-tribe is here?'"

Usama said Zarqawi then quickly grabbed his American-made rifle with one magazine and an unknown amount of U.S. dollars and escaped. He left behind his computer, pistols and more ammunition, which were all seized in the raid. Officials believe Zarqawi went back to Haditha and hid with members of local tribes who continue to provide him support and sanctuary, the MNFI statement said.

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...Zarqawi relies on one terrorist commander in particular, Abu Talha of Mosul. Talha and his henchmen are responsible for the murders of hundreds of innocent Iraqi civilians, the MNFI statement said.

 

This most-wanted terrorist in Mosul has further separated himself from what many Iraqis believed to be a jihad, or holy war, by resorting to stealing cars from the local population and continuing to conduct kidnappings to fund other terrorist activities, the statement added. Some key leaders formerly within the network and some associated with Talha have become disenchanted and disgusted, the statement said, because what they believed to be a holy war actually consists of acts of murder, theft and extortion.

 

One detainee said the network in Mosul has degraded to the point where Talha is receiving less funding from sources outside of Iraq and has to rely on theft, kidnapping and extortion to support terrorism and continue to rule Mosul by fear,

 

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An April 28 raid yielded a letter written by terrorist Abu Asim al-Qusaymi al-Yemeni. Analysts believe the letter, dated April 27, was meant for Zarqawi. Though the letter praises Zarqawi for being "a thorn in the mouth of the Americans," its main thrust addresses low morale, weakening support for the war against America, and the incompetence of many terrorist leaders operating in Iraq.

 

"Zarqawi represents the worst aspects of the insurgency," said Alston. "He's a foreign terrorist in Iraq, killing innocent Iraqis, and trying to delay them from their chosen destiny."

 

 

 

This is the link with more about the story;

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2005/20050506_925.html

[Guest Guest_tajer]

Purported 

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A chilling, rambling audio file thought to be from the most-wanted man in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, says religious doctrine justifies the killing of innocent Muslims by insurgents.

 

The message was posted on several Islamist Web sites Wednesday, the same day a senior U.S. military official said the Jordanian-born leader of al Qaeda in Iraq ordered the recent wave of car bombings in which more than 400 people were killed.

 

The audio -- in which al-Zarqawi is introduced but the speaker does not identify himself -- appeared during a slight lull in violence after three weeks of ferocious attacks.

 

CNNArabic.com's Caroline Faraj, who monitors militant Web sites, said the voice sounded like al-Zarqawi's.

 

On the audio, the speaker says in Arabic: "The shedding of Muslim blood ... is allowed in order to avoid the greater evil of disrupting jihad."

[Airedale]

Even the pro Jihadi websites are reporting Zarqawi may be dead as recent reports state he has "wounds".

 

Most likely the "wound" reportd last month was accurate and he may be dead from the infection that followed ? Since medical treatment was a dangerous thing to attempt it seems his followers will suffer the same death if they continue to follow Zarqawi into the grave.

 

excerpt from an article;

 

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al Qaeda members are being told that al Zarqawi had been wounded and should be prayed for. A web site announcement appears to be an attempt to prepare al Qaeda supporters for al Zarqawi's death. Because al Qaeda has invested so much in building up al Zarqawi's image and stature,

his demise would be a major blow to the terrorist cause.

 

Just admitting, on a known al Qaeda web site, that al Zarqawi was wounded, is bad PR.

Al Qaeda lives and dies by its public image. In the last few months, that image has been taking a major beating throughout the Arab world.

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http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndguide...v=0&BeginCnt=51

 

Now I read that the Iraqi government is conducting a major offensive.

 

If al Qaeda stops funding or can't communicate a deal to choose a new leader to the jihad in short time-

 

is it possible the Jihadi's will then run from Iraq,

leaving the baathists to make a seperate peace with the new government in a few months ?

 

Can the 'host' countries afford to accept and welcome home the returning jihadi ?

[salim]

What had happened in Iraq over the last two days is unexpected.. Not for the size of killings but for the great unity of people .. Please remeber the young Iraqi Sunni Arab "Uthman Ali Aloubaidee" who drawn down while rescuing the seventh victim , she was a Shia lady! Mr. Aloubaidee was in his twentees, a working at a baker in the Adamia nieghborhoud of Sunni Arb in Baghdad where the bridge incident happened.

Today his father on Aliraqia praised his son saying that is he is proud for having such brave son who proved that Iraqis are united.. Aloubaidee was the only working member in a very poor family...